Descendants of Thomas Murray

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Descendants of Thomas Murray

This tree comes with a very strong 'health warning', and has only been included because it illustrates the perils of copying large chunks of online trees into ones own tree.

The tree sent to us was very similar to a number of online trees, all of which seem to be based on a tree at Ancestry which quotes research by Jersey Archive as its main source. It is not clear what this research was based on because none of the individuals in the tree appears in baptism registers and only two in post-1842 birth registers.

On the other hand, one branch which is in the St Helier baptism register is ignored.

Catherine Le Gresley, the wife of soldier Richard at generation 2 is described as 'baptised Carterette'. The marriage record shows her as Catherine, and the only Carterette Le Gresley baptised close to 1771 was born in 1785, the daughter of Amice and Jeanne Hacquoil.

What appears to be the original tree gives successive daughters of Richard and Catherine as Ann and Nancy, both born in 'about 1920', and some copies show Ann born in Jersey and Nancy in New Jersey. The original gives a census return as a source, but it is not the correct family.

All of these anomalies illustrate the care we have to take with submitted trees, and the service we are thereby able to offer those who submit trees to us which they have copied off Ancestry and other websites, complete with mistakes. Some of these mistakes are as painfully obvious as a male Augustus, shown as Augustine, with a birth year of 1806, but with parents shown as born in 1818.

Jerripedia users who find mistakes such as these online are advised to treat the whole trees with considerable scepticism. This tree is presented with the caution that there is much in it which we have been unable to confirm, despite the fact that Jersey Archive is quoted as a source of much of the research.

Richard is shown as the son of Thomas and Ann de la Cour, and is said to have been born in Jersey or Ireland. The marriage register indicates that he was a soldier, so it is likely that he was not born in Jersey, and this also casts doubt on his mother having had a Jersey name. We are also highly suspicious of the dates of birth of the children at generation 2 and the apparent inclusion of three sets of twins within five years.

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  • 1 Richard Murray (1774-1834) m (1808, St H) Catherine Le Gresley (1771-1862)
    • 2 Edward Murray (1818-1880) m (1838, Tr) Julia Molins (1818-1885)
      • 3 Catherine Julia Murray (1838-1875)
      • 3 Mary Anna Murray (1840- )
      • 3 James Augustus Murray (1842-1908) m (1864) Mary Ann Marett (1844-1907)
        • 4 Mary Felicity Murray (1865-1938) (St H)
        • 4 James Alban Murray (1866-1830) (Tr)
        • 4 John Edward Murray (1867-1891) (Tr)
        • 4 Lydia Bertha Murray (1869-1856) (St H)
        • 4 William Charles Murray (1871-1938) (St H) m (1902) Ada Ellen Smith
          • 5 Bertha Hilda Murray (1903-1993)
          • 5 Doris Gertrude Murray (1904-1983)
          • 5 Clarence Campbell Murray (1905-1985)
          • 5 Beatrice Viola Murray (1907-2001)
          • 5 William Edward Murray (1910-1912)
          • 5 Cyril Charles Murray (1912-1993)
        • 4 Bertha Agnes Murray (1877-1938) (Nottingham)
        • 4 Alice Julia Murray (1883-1969) (Nottingham) m Thomas Hopkinson (1879- )
      • 3 Augustus Murray (1846-1910)
      • 3 Edward Murray (1850- )
      • 3 William Murray (1853-1870)
    • 2 Ann Murray (1820- )
    • 2 Nancy Murray (1820- )
    • 2 Frederick Murray (1821- )
    • 2 James Murray (1822- ) m Mary Willcocks
      • 3 James Henry Murray (1850- )
      • 3 Mary Edith Murray (1852- )
      • 3 Elizabeth Ann Murray (1854- )
      • 3 Louisa Murray (1857- )
    • 2 Mary Murray (1822- )
    • 2 Michael Murray (1823- ) m Fanny Mary Gallienne
      • 3 Michael John Freethy Murray (1849- )
      • 3 Fanny Mary Murray (1853- )
      • 3 Elizabeth Ann Murray (1856- )
      • 3 Annie Louisa Murray (1862- )
    • 2 Elizabeth Murray (1825- )
    • 2 Jane Murray (1825- )
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